tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post3778033664393166101..comments2022-01-01T13:02:20.028-08:00Comments on "Created to Be His Help Meet" discussion: Points 1 & 2HelpedMeethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02743632070070708780noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-371350605658857752015-05-29T00:05:40.774-07:002015-05-29T00:05:40.774-07:00Thank you for writing this. I am glad you pointed ...Thank you for writing this. I am glad you pointed out the point that a women's sole purpose in life is to be a wife. I am still single and not sure if marriage is for me so I was not happy when she said our only purpose was to be married. (I am only reading this book to help a friend who is taking this book seriously and hope to counsel her out of it! Your blog will help me). <br /><br />I am glad you pointed out the verse in Colossians when Paul says it is good for some people to stay single. The ironic thing is that Debi actually used the tail end of that verse to prove that women are supposed to be married. She only used the part "a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world – how she can please her husband." Instead of showing that Paul is actually saying this is a bad thing and she can focus on God if she is single. Just another example of how Debi seriously gets scripture wrong by taking it out of context. I pray that the Holy Spirit will give her discerning wisdom.<br /><br />I also loved your explanation of what the Hebrew words actually mean that were translated to "Help meet" in the KJV. The words are ezer kneged. Ezer comes from the root "strength" and "power" It has the dual meaning in Hebrew of "to rescue, to save" and "to be strong". Whenever Ezer is mentioned in the bible it is used to refer to God's strength. Kenegdo means "similar to or corresponding to". It is used to describe something that is a mirror image (or equal). Therefore the verse in Genesis the verse commonly quoted as "I will make a helper fit for him" can actually be read as "I will make a strong rescuer that is corresponding and similar (equal) to him." For more info look here http://www.godswordtowomen.org/ezerkenegdo.htm. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-19344220458478356982013-06-09T13:52:15.686-07:002013-06-09T13:52:15.686-07:00I want to thank you for this blog. This book caus...I want to thank you for this blog. This book caused so much pain and heartache in my marriage, and nearly destroyed my walk with God. However, my husband and I are recovering from its influence, and will be reading your blog together (hopefully) in the near future.Dottyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08708112496790306606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-16783961917611841922012-12-08T02:09:44.610-08:002012-12-08T02:09:44.610-08:00Thank you for this blog.
I'm getting married ...Thank you for this blog. <br />I'm getting married in two months and was given this book for an engagement present.<br />I'm part way through and have learned some things but often felt like throwing the book out cos it didn't feel right. I know and respect two women that loved the book so i thought I'd carry on. Its so good to find this blog and be reassured that my life has more purpose than being a slave to my husband so he can accomplish his purpose in God.<br />We're a team and am so looking forward to working together to achieve what God has set before us.<br />-HollyHollynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-28105419966781132782012-03-09T05:22:56.832-08:002012-03-09T05:22:56.832-08:00Thank you so much for writing this. This book has ...Thank you so much for writing this. This book has indeed created something: a monster, and with my help. At the strong encouragement of this book, I have silently endured years of abusive behavior. The Lord is merciful and is opening my eyes very slowly, but I do not know what to do with all the damage which has been done. Of course my husband LOVED this book. What abuser would not? This book encouraged me to cover up his sin and blame myself if my husband did not "cherish" me. It also advised me to think of myself as "suffering for righteousness sake", when in fact I was fearfully refusing to lovingly confront his sin, as commanded in Matthew 18. I am so far off course because of this book, I hardly know where to begin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-38502774554707045062012-02-19T17:50:23.395-08:002012-02-19T17:50:23.395-08:00I am sorry so many have had negative experiences w...I am sorry so many have had negative experiences with this book. This book was my answer to prayer and changed my life and my marriage for the best! If not for this book I would be a depressed divorced single woman living alone in a trailer. But because God answered my prayer for a Titus 2 woman through Debi, I am remarried to my husband and our marriage is full of life and love! Praise God for CTBHHM!!! Personally I beg every young wife to read this book, yTonyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03905332894540172162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-20246591749505784542011-11-02T17:53:13.486-07:002011-11-02T17:53:13.486-07:00Thank you for this blog! I also agree that this b...Thank you for this blog! I also agree that this book has some good points. However, because of the negative aspects, it becomes important to use extreme discretion while reading. It is best I think to stick to Scripture alone for any life guidelines, though help books can provide some good insight. Men and women are both subject to God. Neither one is more important in the eyes of God. We are both heirs, and are loved equally. Men and women just have different roles to fill. I do think wives should be submissive to their husbands. That does not mean subservient! Anyway, this are just my thoughts. Have a great day everyone!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-16229823701314262972011-03-18T15:21:12.488-07:002011-03-18T15:21:12.488-07:00Maybe it would be nice if a counter-balance book w...Maybe it would be nice if a counter-balance book would be written; explaining in detail how husbands are to be benevolent rulers? <br /><br />However, my next question would be: Would dictator-type husbands read it? Probably not. And they're the ones that need it.<br /><br />Maybe another commentary on how to make appeals, or to flat out disagree, could be useful? <br /><br />After all, if we're supposed to be like Jesus, he did disagree with people, make appeals to their intelligence - and even "left" to get away from the crowds that were unwilling to change their attitudes, but still demanded "service" - John 6.<br /><br />Having said all of that, I must say that I do like the Pearls' books and have gleaned lots from them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-14469114856917416242011-03-08T11:17:36.677-08:002011-03-08T11:17:36.677-08:00Anonymous said: "I just believe that if you a...Anonymous said: "I just believe that if you are always looking for negative you are going to find negative!" How often people with the gift of discernment are accused of "looking for the negative"! Quite the contrary, one with this gift doesn't have to look very hard or deep to discover the Pearls teachings are fraught with biblical errancy and I thank God and pray His blessings on anyone who is selfless enough & bold enough to warn unsuspecting readers the dangers of the Pearl's teachings. Anonymous says: "There are so many more wonderful and eye opening points in this book that there is no reason to go overboard about how bad it is!" To that I say, Yes, there are many wonderful things one can 'glean' from this book. I myself found it a challenge to examine my role as a wife and that's a good thing! However, to ignore the repeated misuse of Scripture is to place God's Word secondary to the results. That folks is pragmatism. Something a Christian should never be a part of! Proper use of God's word should be held in much higher esteem than whether or not something "works" for us. I cannot thank Helpedmeet enough for this labor of love by being a true Berean and exposing the very bad mixed with the good.frmdeath2lifenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-19396897957099909972010-09-03T16:05:39.233-07:002010-09-03T16:05:39.233-07:00AMEN!!!!
What you guys have taken the time to do ...AMEN!!!!<br /><br />What you guys have taken the time to do is what is needed for clarity! THANK YOU!!!!<br /><br />Exactly what needs to be highlighted...it saddens me that the Pearls are misundertanding what God says, and that they are missing out on a completely amazing life. <br /><br />Please PRAY FOR THEM!!!Jennifer Austadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-86577384530206946082010-08-09T16:14:47.803-07:002010-08-09T16:14:47.803-07:00As a pastor of a pentacostal church that believes ...As a pastor of a pentacostal church that believes God calls women to serve in pastoral roles, I find this book complete heresy. It has more theological errors than Mormon theology and I believe these beliefs turn women away from Jesus and toward works for their salvation.Jon Feldschauhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16696121790726660527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-83836298798001285532010-07-24T17:22:29.179-07:002010-07-24T17:22:29.179-07:00I appreciate the "ctbhhm: book and i also app...I appreciate the "ctbhhm: book and i also appreciate this blog site because it has led to this very important discussion. I am a little disappointed with the tone of some of these comments which seem to lack a bit of grace and love. <br /><br />Now my question is to the blogger. One Anonymous comment earlier in these comments said "to rule over his wife" was not the curse, that it was already there but the manner is which it was now to be done was the curse. What's your response to that?Jazynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-81370128557932346472010-07-03T14:36:00.229-07:002010-07-03T14:36:00.229-07:00Anonymous said...
"CTBHHM asserts that Eve w...Anonymous said... <br />"CTBHHM asserts that Eve was created for the sole purpose of being Adam’s servant."<br /><br />This is false. She clearly does not believe that and never stated that! <br />----------------------<br />Behold:<br />Page 21: “If you are a wife, you were created to fill a need, and in that capacity you are a “good thing”, a helper suited to the needs of a man. This is how God created you and IT IS YOUR PURPOSE FOR EXISTING.”<br /><br />Page 58: “When a woman gets old and realizes that there is no man to love and cherish her, it is sad indeed, for SHE HAS FAILED IN THE VERY PURPOSE FOR WHICH SHE WAS CREATED - TO BE A SUITABLE HELPER FOR MAN.”HelpedMeethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02743632070070708780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-9332820975107420592010-07-03T14:01:05.894-07:002010-07-03T14:01:05.894-07:00Yes, the curse exists today!
If the curse instruc...Yes, the curse exists today!<br /><br />If the curse instructs us to rule our wives, then, by the same reasoning, it instructs us to plant thorns and thistles, to cause pain, and to kill.<br /><br />"Cursed is the ground because of you."<br /><br />The curse brought hunger; Jesus fed the hungry and asks us to do the same.<br /><br />"From dust you were made and to dust you shall return."<br /><br />The curse brought death; Jesus gives life and invites us in. Jesus healed the sick and asks us to do the same.<br /><br />"Your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you."<br /><br />The curse brought domination and control; Jesus is a servant-king and asks us to be the same.<br /><br />By the power of Jesus' blood and the working of the Holy Spirit, everthing bad is coming untrue. Thank you, Jesus.HelpedMeethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02743632070070708780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-38727815329527827892010-06-26T08:34:19.802-07:002010-06-26T08:34:19.802-07:00"As it turns out, we were fortunate enough to..."As it turns out, we were fortunate enough to have read the verses you quote. In fact, we discuss these sections of scripture in this very post! You will find the discussion beginning with, "The Bible does say that men will rule over their wives, but this is not a command – it is the result of sin entering the world – it is a part of the curse..." Please let us know what you think of this discussion."<br /><br />Does the curse not still exist today? So men still rule over women... That is the way it will be until Jesus returns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-34664776212287471722010-06-26T08:31:50.789-07:002010-06-26T08:31:50.789-07:00"CTBHHM asserts that Eve was created for the ..."CTBHHM asserts that Eve was created for the sole purpose of being Adam’s servant."<br /><br />This is false. She clearly does not believe that and never stated that!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-11905437135309585562010-05-11T15:53:08.237-07:002010-05-11T15:53:08.237-07:00Anonymous @ 10/24/08 said:
She NEVER tells a wo...Anonymous @ 10/24/08 said: <br /><br />She NEVER tells a woman that she is a disgrace to God, or that it is the woman's fault for the abuse.<br /><br />this is outright false. She does. I am a woman in an abusive marriage who was recommended to read this book BY MY PASTOR AND HIS WIFE.<br /><br />needless to say we do not attend that church anymore.Into The Firehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742771723057163765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-34991733489230590042010-03-03T12:07:58.105-08:002010-03-03T12:07:58.105-08:00I just believe that if you are always looking for ...I just believe that if you are always looking for negative you are going to find negative! There are so many more wonderful and eye opening points in this book that there is no reason to go overboard about how bad it is! The other thing that I believe is that not every woman that reads this book is ready to hear what it has to say and if you are feeling offended you are probably feeling convicted!! I love this book and I know that if I trust God with the words that are given to me he will show me and remind me of the ones I should use everyday!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-7761732314577625312008-10-25T05:55:00.000-07:002008-10-25T05:55:00.000-07:00Anonymous encourages people to read the Pearl disc...Anonymous encourages people to read the Pearl discussion on what women should do in an abusive marriage. Please see "Point 7" for a discussion of this section.<BR/><BR/>The KJV and biblical translations issue is outside the scope of this blog.HelpedMeethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02743632070070708780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-32283140739617206332008-10-24T07:34:00.000-07:002008-10-24T07:34:00.000-07:00Your fist error in finding flaws in this book is t...Your fist error in finding flaws in this book is that when you try to interpret the scripture you are obviously not using God's word, The King James 1611, you are using a perversion of the Holy Word of God (NIV, NKJV, ETC.) translated by spiritualist and lesbians, who are an abomination to God (I could write a book urging you to never use those "bibles" and I pray that you would research that subject). I do agree that Debi left out important points about a womans personal walk with God, which is very important, however the book is not about "how to be close to God." It is about how to be a good wife. <BR/>You cannot honestly deny the reason for a woman's creation. God looked around and realized that Adam was alone and so He made Adam a HELP. That is the reason that woman was created. I believe men and women are both special and equal to God, as does Debi Pearl. This book is about how to be a good wife, so it covers only that subject. And I urge people to read the part about Debi's advice to people in an abusive marriage. She tells the women to call the police, and have the husband arrested and sent to jail. While he is in jail, she urges the women to visit and support the man while he tries to overcome his sin of abuse. She is telling women to obey I Peter, where God tells women that the way to win their husbands to Christ is by their chaste conversation and sweet, femininity. She NEVER tells a woman that she is a disgrace to God, or that it is the woman's fault for the abuse.<BR/>And I cannot see how anybody would interpret it that way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-10615724559560307592008-08-26T22:28:00.000-07:002008-08-26T22:28:00.000-07:00I agree that a wife does not need her husband to b...I agree that a wife does not need her husband to be her mediator. I also know that a wife is created to be more than just a help meet for her husband. But the man is to rule the home; it is not simply part of the curse. Just as having to work was not the curse, (dressing and keeping the garden was work), it was the new difficulties associated with the work (sweat, etc) that was the curse, so obeying the husband's rule was not the curse, it was the manner in which fallen man now rules over his wife that is the curse.<BR/><BR/>There are plenty of examples in scripture. Here is one:<BR/><BR/> 1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; <BR/> 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) <BR/><BR/> 1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. <BR/><BR/>A man is to rule his house. The house is not just his children, but also his wife as seen by verse 12.<BR/><BR/>We are taught to "obey those that have the rule over you". Wives are to "obey" their husbands. It is obvious therefore that a husband in some sense, has a rule over his wife. It predates the curse (see I Timothy chapter 2:13-14); it is not a result of it.<BR/><BR/>That being said, I don't think a man ought to lord it over his wife, and I am not defending the Pearl's book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-56601164053811843002008-06-25T23:05:00.000-07:002008-06-25T23:05:00.000-07:00Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for cre...Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you for creating this blog!!!!!<BR/><BR/>I am a 23 year old single Christian girl who's slightly liberal but totally follow & love the Lord & was recommended this book. I read it & was so upset by it that I had nothing else to do but just sit there & cry about it. I absolutely believe this woman is seriously disturbed & damaging & a hindrance to any woman who reads it. <BR/><BR/>After praying I went online to look up reviews & while I found a few that just loved the book & said it changed their lives I was so happy to find your site! I've passed it along to all the girls I know who have read or are thinking about reading it. <BR/><BR/>Thanks again!Laura Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00303652908959884440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-46641121132053124672008-05-28T10:25:00.000-07:002008-05-28T10:25:00.000-07:00Bobby, thank you for joining this discussion. We ...Bobby, thank you for joining this discussion. We value dissent, so your comment is important to us.<BR/><BR/>As it turns out, we were fortunate enough to have read the verses you quote. In fact, we discuss these sections of scripture in this very post! You will find the discussion beginning with, "The Bible does say that men will rule over their wives, but this is not a command – it is the result of sin entering the world – it is a part of the curse..." Please let us know what you think of this discussion.<BR/><BR/>In future posts, please refrain from personal attacks on character, such as "apparently you haven't read the Bible". As we stated in our introduction, "We welcome disagreement on this blog, but have enabled comment moderation to ensure that the discussion remains respectful & focused. We will *only* delete those comments that attack other's motives or character."HelpedMeethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02743632070070708780noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-40843830633857168012008-04-16T21:58:00.000-07:002008-04-16T21:58:00.000-07:00"Never in Scripture is Adam given the command to r..."Never in Scripture is Adam given the command to rule over Eve,"<BR/><BR/>Wrong, this unfounded statement is clearly wrong and unbiblical. Seems to me that you need to read your Bible. Women have lost their true intent. Does God intend for woman to forsake her husband for her career's sake? <BR/><BR/>Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and HE SHALL RULE over thee.<BR/><BR/>Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.<BR/><BR/>I've never read this book because I am a guy, but apparently you haven't read the Bible. So before you try to tell someone's book is wrong based on the Bible when clearly it says what you said it doesn't, actually read the Bible.Bobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07240691319691226636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-41881923336932574842008-03-27T02:18:00.000-07:002008-03-27T02:18:00.000-07:00Thank you soooo much for this blog. I agree compl...Thank you soooo much for this blog. I agree completely, and it helped to hear another couple mirror my thoughts. I literally came close to suicide while reading this book, because of what this book was dishing out to me. THIS BOOK IS DANGEROUS to women living with any sort of abuse in their marriage - physical, mental or emotional! I've read so many's comments as a light "just take the good out of the book and chuck the rest". What most fail to understand is the weight her "bad" and seriously unbiblical comments and tone have on those in complicated situations. There is no ignoring page 263 where it is stated that the "chain of authority must remain intact, even to the point of allowing some abuse". I'm sorry that is just Sick and distructive!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-182754721491331897.post-20370019525673028492008-02-12T11:04:00.000-08:002008-02-12T11:04:00.000-08:00page 270 is really scary. I hope a wife in an abus...page 270 is really scary. I hope a wife in an abusive marriage does not read thatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com